I made a octagon shaped box to hang on a fence, nothing fancy. I am having trouble trying to figure out the best way to join the 8 pieces together with pocket screws. Each piece is 9 inches long with each end has a miter cut at 22.5 degrees cut from a 1 x 6. I tried pocket screw but 1 1/4 inch screws did not have enough bit and 1 5/8 were to long and protruded out of the 1 by. Any and all tip are greatly appreciated.
thanks, bill
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Hi Bill, I will attempt to explain a method of which you can use pocket holes to assemble a mitered joint. This might take more than one page.
Hi Bill, I just sent you a long detailed method of how I use pocket joinery in mitered cuts. I did not mention any of the other related things to take into consideration if you are building a project where furniture and or cabinet quality appearance is going to be desired. This is red oak from my scrap bin.
In the example I sent I could have cut all the pieces from a long length of red oak and kept them in order as they were cut and it would present a better look in both grain pattern and color match.
I used 1 and 1/4 inch fine thread screws in this as it is hard wood. You will note that he direction of the screw penetration in going in a direction of where there is plenty of wood to prevent the screw from exiting the side.Also note that you keep the heel of the miter flush with the inside of the adjoining piece. The toe of the miter will be longer but is cut off and or sanded off when done. This can be done so that it remains square with the octagon sides and or rounded off. Note that when this is done it moves the eye to appoint about 1/4 inch away from the actual joint. This will help hide your miter joint. None of the miters in any of the joints shown required wood filler and this one is left un-sanded and cut off with a flush trim saw when finished.
Any questions you have please feel free to contact me.
JAY, as all ways a very well written discussion , on how to make a octagon box , well explained and lots of photos to show how it is done the right way , that anyone could follow and do a good job!!!!!! As a wood worker on this site , I for one want to thank you for taking the time to write this discussion with photos to help many wood workers , this is what it is all about , helping others to improve there skills on there projects !!! What is needed here is for more members to read this type of discussion and give thank,s to the few that go way out of their way to help others, except maybe a thank you and read their posts !! I have known Jay for years and he has always been here to help others and he ask,s for nothing in return , but a thank you would be very nice , well done Jay thanks again , JIM !!
Bill, If you really want to push the envelope you can.
Its just a matter of thinking about what you want to do.
Here is a small mushroom stool constructed with the Kreg Jig using tapered staves and equal joints.
Make it in quarters then assemble two halves and then assemble the complete base, then add a top.
In this situation I also applied Polyeuthane Glue to the joints as it remains outside in the garden.
The attaching screws for the top were recessed and plugged after assembly
Jay thanks a ton for the lesson on joining and cutting octagons! Really appreciate the time and effort you took to answer my questions. The photos really helped me understand how it all comes together. If you ever in Shreveport, LA I'll cook you some of my famous gumbo. I'll tackle my little project tomorrow and see if I am as good as a student as your are a teacher.
Robert, love the mushroom stool, would look great in my garden. I'll give it a whirl later on.
Thanks Again! Bill
Thank you Jim for the nice words of appreciation for what I do. Working with miters can be a complicated thing to do until you learn the fundementals of how to go about it. I am much like you as I have no problem helping someone learn something that makes their skills better. I guess that is why I love teaching so much and the classes members that I teach learn quickly as that makes the task easier. I also do not care about the Thank you's as much as i do care about where or not my posts are read. I know I have written many of which I have no idea if they are ever read and or if they help anyone or not as many are never relied to. Again Thanks for your nice comments.
james wilhelm said:
JAY, as all ways a very well written discussion , on how to make a octagon box , well explained and lots of photos to show how it is done the right way , that anyone could follow and do a good job!!!!!! As a wood worker on this site , I for one want to thank you for taking the time to write this discussion with photos to help many wood workers , this is what it is all about , helping others to improve there skills on there projects !!! What is needed here is for more members to read this type of discussion and give thank,s to the few that go way out of their way to help others, except maybe a thank you and read their posts !! I have known Jay for years and he has always been here to help others and he ask,s for nothing in return , but a thank you would be very nice , well done Jay thanks again , JIM !!
Bill Wood said:
Jay thanks a ton for the lesson on joining and cutting octagons! Really appreciate the time and effort you took to answer my questions. The photos really helped me understand how it all comes together. If you ever in Shreveport, LA I'll cook you some of my famous gumbo. I'll tackle my little project tomorrow and see if I am as good as a student as your are a teacher.
Robert, love the mushroom stool, would look great in my garden. I'll give it a whirl later on.
Thanks Again! Bill
Hi Bill, it was all my pleasure as I know you wanted to learn something and i happened to have the experience to help you. If I am ever in your neck of the woods I will take you up on your gumbo offer and we could spend some time talking woodworking. i am sure you have a few tricks that you could show me. Like I said if you have any problems with doing your octagon please let me know and I will see what I can do to help you suscessfully complete your project. yes that Robert might live a long ways from us but he sure does have some good ideas and woodworking skills. He can turn out some mighty fine woodworking porjects. He is another guy I would like to spend some shop time with. Please post your project when you finish it.
Robert, That is a very nice looking stool that you posted. I like the way you joined the staves and made a very nice looking and functional piece out of it. Angles can be fun to work with and you can turn out some very clever and interesting woodworking projects that you can not do without having some knowledge about how to join them into a single piece. I do not recall seeing you post this project before and if you have not I urge you to do so as it is interesting and displays a lot of thinking and craftsmanship in it. I think it might stir some interest among the members and show that that there are things out there yet to be made. It only takes some imagination and desire to build something out of the ordinary. Thanks for posting and helping out in showing angles and kreg screws.
Robert Brennan said:
Bill, If you really want to push the envelope you can.
Its just a matter of thinking about what you want to do.
Here is a small mushroom stool constructed with the Kreg Jig using tapered staves and equal joints.
Make it in quarters then assemble two halves and then assemble the complete base, then add a top.
In this situation I also applied Polyeuthane Glue to the joints as it remains outside in the garden.
The attaching screws for the top were recessed and plugged after assembly
Jay, I am sure the only tricks I could show you would be with my cooking skills as I am a working Chef, just a beginner at woodworking.
Jay Boutwell said:
Bill Wood said:Jay thanks a ton for the lesson on joining and cutting octagons! Really appreciate the time and effort you took to answer my questions. The photos really helped me understand how it all comes together. If you ever in Shreveport, LA I'll cook you some of my famous gumbo. I'll tackle my little project tomorrow and see if I am as good as a student as your are a teacher.
Robert, love the mushroom stool, would look great in my garden. I'll give it a whirl later on.
Thanks Again! Bill
Hi Bill, it was all my pleasure as I know you wanted to learn something and i happened to have the experience to help you. If I am ever in your neck of the woods I will take you up on your gumbo offer and we could spend some time talking woodworking. i am sure you have a few tricks that you could show me. Like I said if you have any problems with doing your octagon please let me know and I will see what I can do to help you suscessfully complete your project. yes that Robert might live a long ways from us but he sure does have some good ideas and woodworking skills. He can turn out some mighty fine woodworking porjects. He is another guy I would like to spend some shop time with. Please post your project when you finish it.
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Robert, That is a very nice looking stool that you posted. I like the way you joined the staves and made a very nice looking and functional piece out of it. Angles can be fun to work with and you can turn out some very clever and interesting woodworking projects that you can not do without having some knowledge about how to join them into a single piece. I do not recall seeing you post this project before and if you have not I urge you to do so as it is interesting and displays a lot of thinking and craftsmanship in it. I think it might stir some interest among the members and show that that there are things out there yet to be made. It only takes some imagination and desire to build something out of the ordinary. Thanks for posting and helping out in showing angles and kreg screws.