Screw color question - Kreg Owners' Community2024-03-28T10:07:42Zhttps://kregjig.ning.com/forum/topics/screw-color-question?feed=yes&xn_auth=noI hope they do buddy because…tag:kregjig.ning.com,2014-01-07:2900167:Comment:5920252014-01-07T18:55:04.653ZTrevor staffordhttps://kregjig.ning.com/profile/Trevorstafford822
I hope they do buddy because as stated in other replies they were dri lib (passivated) so much better than these new ones which in my opinion are inferior<br />
Trevor<br></br>
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<cite>Ryan McLaughlin said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://kregjig.ning.com/forum/topics/screw-color-question?id=2900167%3ATopic%3A78327&page=2#2900167Comment521416"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I have assembled many componets over the years using Kreg's Bronze Screws with no issues whatsoever until I opened my…</p>
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I hope they do buddy because as stated in other replies they were dri lib (passivated) so much better than these new ones which in my opinion are inferior<br />
Trevor<br/>
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<cite>Ryan McLaughlin said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://kregjig.ning.com/forum/topics/screw-color-question?id=2900167%3ATopic%3A78327&page=2#2900167Comment521416"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I have assembled many componets over the years using Kreg's Bronze Screws with no issues whatsoever until I opened my first box of cheap Zinc SML-F125 and the very first one snapped right off!! This had never happened before with the Bronze screws! The quality just isn't there and I sure hope Kreg doesn't continue down this road with their other products... Any input from a Kreg rep would be appreciated! Will Kreg return to the original screw?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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</blockquote> Because the yellow/bronze col…tag:kregjig.ning.com,2014-01-07:2900167:Comment:5921382014-01-07T18:48:26.187ZTrevor staffordhttps://kregjig.ning.com/profile/Trevorstafford822
Because the yellow/bronze coloures ones were dri lube (passivated) and so could be used with a lower torque and so didn't snap as easy as the new zinc ones do fact<br></br>
Regards<br></br>
Trevor<br></br>
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<cite>Ken Darga said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://kregjig.ning.com/forum/topics/screw-color-question?id=2900167%3ATopic%3A78327&page=2#2900167Comment492199"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>How does the ''<strong>screw color</strong>'' (as noted in the subject title),</p>
<p>make the…</p>
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Because the yellow/bronze coloures ones were dri lube (passivated) and so could be used with a lower torque and so didn't snap as easy as the new zinc ones do fact<br/>
Regards<br/>
Trevor<br/>
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<cite>Ken Darga said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://kregjig.ning.com/forum/topics/screw-color-question?id=2900167%3ATopic%3A78327&page=2#2900167Comment492199"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>How does the ''<strong>screw color</strong>'' (as noted in the subject title),</p>
<p>make the product ''<em>clearly inferior</em>''?---</p>
<p>as stated in Steve Dodson's post.</p>
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</blockquote> I'm assuming the dri lube bro…tag:kregjig.ning.com,2014-01-07:2900167:Comment:5921352014-01-07T18:39:59.991ZTrevor staffordhttps://kregjig.ning.com/profile/Trevorstafford822
I'm assuming the dri lube bronze coloured were actually passivated screws which in my humble opinion are far better than the new zinc ones (34 years a carpenter & Joiner)<br />
<cite>KregRep said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://kregjig.ning.com/forum/topics/screw-color-question#2900167Comment78670"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Paul, great question. Yes, this is a change we made about a half a year ago (but depending on stock, your dealer may have just made the change). We moved from…</div>
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I'm assuming the dri lube bronze coloured were actually passivated screws which in my humble opinion are far better than the new zinc ones (34 years a carpenter & Joiner)<br />
<cite>KregRep said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://kregjig.ning.com/forum/topics/screw-color-question#2900167Comment78670"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Paul, great question. Yes, this is a change we made about a half a year ago (but depending on stock, your dealer may have just made the change). We moved from dri-lube screws to zinc screws. The result is slightly better weather resistance and less rust/oily-residue in the box. We're very happy with the change so far, and most customers seem to be as well. It does make it a bit harder to tell between stainless and zinc, but the price should be a pretty good indicator! ;)</div>
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</blockquote> Thanks, Paul! I bookmarked t…tag:kregjig.ning.com,2013-02-23:2900167:Comment:5238772013-02-23T15:42:39.724ZSteve Dodsonhttps://kregjig.ning.com/profile/SteveDodson
<p>Thanks, Paul! I bookmarked that site. </p>
<p><br></br> <br></br> <cite>Paul Wolf said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://kregjig.ning.com/forum/topics/screw-color-question?commentId=2900167%3AComment%3A523666&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2900167Comment523666"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Ryan/Steve and others,</p>
<p>As the person who originally opened this thread, I thought I should comment. After Kreg switched to their current screw lineup, I switched to using screws from…</p>
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<p>Thanks, Paul! I bookmarked that site. </p>
<p><br/> <br/> <cite>Paul Wolf said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://kregjig.ning.com/forum/topics/screw-color-question?commentId=2900167%3AComment%3A523666&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2900167Comment523666"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Ryan/Steve and others,</p>
<p>As the person who originally opened this thread, I thought I should comment. After Kreg switched to their current screw lineup, I switched to using screws from <a href="http://www.cshardware.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Custom Service Hardware</a>. I've been using their <a href="http://www.cshardware.com/0-rwsc08114p17.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">coarse thread</a> and <a href="http://www.cshardware.com/0-rwsf07114p17.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">fine thread</a> dry-lubed screws which appear to be remarkably similar to the old-style Kreg screws. I've had great luck using them. Custom Service Hardware also carries pan-head and high/low screws, but I haven't used them myself. Hope this helps.</p>
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<p>Paul</p>
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</blockquote> Steve,
I posted comments, re…tag:kregjig.ning.com,2013-02-22:2900167:Comment:5235532013-02-22T22:53:54.482ZKen Dargahttps://kregjig.ning.com/profile/KenDarga
<p>Steve, </p>
<p>I posted comments, re ''hydrogen embrittlement''.</p>
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<p><a href="http://kregjig.ning.com/forum/topics/kreg-screw-quality?commentId=2900167%3AComment%3A521861" target="_blank">http://kregjig.ning.com/forum/topics/kreg-screw-quality?commentId=2900167%3AComment%3A521861</a></p>
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<p>Steve, </p>
<p>I posted comments, re ''hydrogen embrittlement''.</p>
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<p><a href="http://kregjig.ning.com/forum/topics/kreg-screw-quality?commentId=2900167%3AComment%3A521861" target="_blank">http://kregjig.ning.com/forum/topics/kreg-screw-quality?commentId=2900167%3AComment%3A521861</a></p>
<p><br/> <br/> <cite>Steve Schuh said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://kregjig.ning.com/forum/topics/screw-color-question?commentId=2900167%3AComment%3A523552&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2900167Comment523552"><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I have been using screw lube and drilling a pilot hole and going in and out a bit. Hickory is really hard wood and I had to use special techniques to keep it from splitting. My point is that the technique that I was using with the old screws is not working with these inferior new shiny ones. I can adjust my technique, maybe drill a bigger pilot hole. It is just too bad the quality went down. I have some old ones left and they fit much tighter onto the square drive bit. The new ones wabble a bit and fall off. The old ones don't wabble and you have to pull them off. Nice joinery system. Crappy screws. I'd like to see some torque tests on the new compared to the old. I bet the new twist off a lot sooner. Did Kreg test these?</p>
<p>Steve<br/><br/><cite><br/></cite></p>
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</blockquote> I have been using screw lube…tag:kregjig.ning.com,2013-02-22:2900167:Comment:5235522013-02-22T22:34:30.612ZSteve Schuhhttps://kregjig.ning.com/profile/SteveSchuh
<p>I have been using screw lube and drilling a pilot hole and going in and out a bit. Hickory is really hard wood and I had to use special techniques to keep it from splitting. My point is that the technique that I was using with the old screws is not working with these inferior new shiny ones. I can adjust my technique, maybe drill a bigger pilot hole. It is just too bad the quality went down. I have some old ones left and they fit much tighter onto the square drive bit. The new ones…</p>
<p>I have been using screw lube and drilling a pilot hole and going in and out a bit. Hickory is really hard wood and I had to use special techniques to keep it from splitting. My point is that the technique that I was using with the old screws is not working with these inferior new shiny ones. I can adjust my technique, maybe drill a bigger pilot hole. It is just too bad the quality went down. I have some old ones left and they fit much tighter onto the square drive bit. The new ones wabble a bit and fall off. The old ones don't wabble and you have to pull them off. Nice joinery system. Crappy screws. I'd like to see some torque tests on the new compared to the old. I bet the new twist off a lot sooner. Did Kreg test these?</p>
<p>Steve<br/><br/><cite>Ken Darga said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://kregjig.ning.com/forum/topics/screw-color-question?commentId=2900167%3AComment%3A523666&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2900167Comment523543"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Steve, </p>
<p>Add lube to the first couple screw threads, before inserting them, especially into hardwoods.</p>
<p>Paraffin, candle wax will suffice nicely. </p>
<p>The lube will reduce friction---</p>
<p>it provides lubricity---</p>
<p>makes for easier installation.</p>
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<p>Finishing paste wax is great stuff. I transfer some from the 1lb container, into a smaller container, such as old film canisters, and the like---label the containers ''screw lube''. I keep containers in various places, for at-the-ready-use---</p>
<p>tool boxes, a container with my drivers, screw storage bins, and my Kreg screws storage receptacle. </p>
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<p>Another great product is "SLIPIT", a ''silcone free'' gel type material.</p>
<p>This product has many uses.</p>
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<p>Very useful products to have in and around the workshop.</p>
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<p><br/><cite>Steve Schuh said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://kregjig.ning.com/forum/topics/screw-color-question?commentId=2900167%3AComment%3A523666&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2900167Comment523443"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I just ran out of my old style SML-F125 screws and started with the new SML-F125 Z Standard Zinc Coated. I am in the middle of building a hickory kitchen and I don't know what I am going to do now. My first two screws didn't go well. One screw started to feel loose in the square drive and then it twisted off. I tried to back out the other and it also twisted off. These are not quality screws. I never twisted off any of the old style. I have been drilling pilot holes and driving the screws by hand due to the extreme hardness of the hickory and the tendancy to split. I need the old screws back. I'm very frustrated and before I was very happy with the Kreg system.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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Add lube to the first…tag:kregjig.ning.com,2013-02-22:2900167:Comment:5235432013-02-22T19:45:36.274ZKen Dargahttps://kregjig.ning.com/profile/KenDarga
<p>Steve, </p>
<p>Add lube to the first couple screw threads, before inserting them, especially into hardwoods.</p>
<p>Paraffin, candle wax will suffice nicely. </p>
<p>The lube will reduce friction---</p>
<p>it provides lubricity---</p>
<p>makes for easier installation.</p>
<p></p>
<p>Finishing paste wax is great stuff. I transfer some from the 1lb container, into a smaller container, such as old film canisters, and the like---label the containers ''screw lube''. I keep containers in…</p>
<p>Steve, </p>
<p>Add lube to the first couple screw threads, before inserting them, especially into hardwoods.</p>
<p>Paraffin, candle wax will suffice nicely. </p>
<p>The lube will reduce friction---</p>
<p>it provides lubricity---</p>
<p>makes for easier installation.</p>
<p></p>
<p>Finishing paste wax is great stuff. I transfer some from the 1lb container, into a smaller container, such as old film canisters, and the like---label the containers ''screw lube''. I keep containers in various places, for at-the-ready-use---</p>
<p>tool boxes, a container with my drivers, screw storage bins, and my Kreg screws storage receptacle. </p>
<p></p>
<p>Another great product is "SLIPIT", a ''silcone free'' gel type material.</p>
<p>This product has many uses.</p>
<p></p>
<p>Very useful products to have in and around the workshop.</p>
<p></p>
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<p><br/> <cite>Steve Schuh said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://kregjig.ning.com/forum/topics/screw-color-question?commentId=2900167%3AComment%3A523666&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2900167Comment523443"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I just ran out of my old style SML-F125 screws and started with the new SML-F125 Z Standard Zinc Coated. I am in the middle of building a hickory kitchen and I don't know what I am going to do now. My first two screws didn't go well. One screw started to feel loose in the square drive and then it twisted off. I tried to back out the other and it also twisted off. These are not quality screws. I never twisted off any of the old style. I have been drilling pilot holes and driving the screws by hand due to the extreme hardness of the hickory and the tendancy to split. I need the old screws back. I'm very frustrated and before I was very happy with the Kreg system.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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As the…tag:kregjig.ning.com,2013-02-22:2900167:Comment:5236662013-02-22T17:40:40.203ZPaul Wolfhttps://kregjig.ning.com/profile/PaulWolf
<p>Ryan/Steve and others,</p>
<p>As the person who originally opened this thread, I thought I should comment. After Kreg switched to their current screw lineup, I switched to using screws from <a href="http://www.cshardware.com/" target="_blank">Custom Service Hardware</a>. I've been using their <a href="http://www.cshardware.com/0-rwsc08114p17.html" target="_blank">coarse thread</a> and <a href="http://www.cshardware.com/0-rwsf07114p17.html" target="_blank">fine thread</a> dry-lubed screws…</p>
<p>Ryan/Steve and others,</p>
<p>As the person who originally opened this thread, I thought I should comment. After Kreg switched to their current screw lineup, I switched to using screws from <a href="http://www.cshardware.com/" target="_blank">Custom Service Hardware</a>. I've been using their <a href="http://www.cshardware.com/0-rwsc08114p17.html" target="_blank">coarse thread</a> and <a href="http://www.cshardware.com/0-rwsf07114p17.html" target="_blank">fine thread</a> dry-lubed screws which appear to be remarkably similar to the old-style Kreg screws. I've had great luck using them. Custom Service Hardware also carries pan-head and high/low screws, but I haven't used them myself. Hope this helps.</p>
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<p>Paul</p> I just ran out of my old styl…tag:kregjig.ning.com,2013-02-22:2900167:Comment:5234432013-02-22T02:22:43.210ZSteve Schuhhttps://kregjig.ning.com/profile/SteveSchuh
<p>I just ran out of my old style SML-F125 screws and started with the new SML-F125 Z Standard Zinc Coated. I am in the middle of building a hickory kitchen and I don't know what I am going to do now. My first two screws didn't go well. One screw started to feel loose in the square drive and then it twisted off. I tried to back out the other and it also twisted off. These are not quality screws. I never twisted off any of the old style. I have been drilling pilot holes and driving the…</p>
<p>I just ran out of my old style SML-F125 screws and started with the new SML-F125 Z Standard Zinc Coated. I am in the middle of building a hickory kitchen and I don't know what I am going to do now. My first two screws didn't go well. One screw started to feel loose in the square drive and then it twisted off. I tried to back out the other and it also twisted off. These are not quality screws. I never twisted off any of the old style. I have been drilling pilot holes and driving the screws by hand due to the extreme hardness of the hickory and the tendancy to split. I need the old screws back. I'm very frustrated and before I was very happy with the Kreg system.</p>
<p>Steve</p> I have assembled many compone…tag:kregjig.ning.com,2013-02-13:2900167:Comment:5214162013-02-13T05:36:40.466ZRyan McLaughlinhttps://kregjig.ning.com/profile/RyanMcLaughlin
<p>I have assembled many componets over the years using Kreg's Bronze Screws with no issues whatsoever until I opened my first box of cheap Zinc SML-F125 and the very first one snapped right off!! This had never happened before with the Bronze screws! The quality just isn't there and I sure hope Kreg doesn't continue down this road with their other products... Any input from a Kreg rep would be appreciated! Will Kreg return to the original screw?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>I have assembled many componets over the years using Kreg's Bronze Screws with no issues whatsoever until I opened my first box of cheap Zinc SML-F125 and the very first one snapped right off!! This had never happened before with the Bronze screws! The quality just isn't there and I sure hope Kreg doesn't continue down this road with their other products... Any input from a Kreg rep would be appreciated! Will Kreg return to the original screw?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>