Quality Frustrations - Kreg Owners' Community2024-03-29T15:46:51Zhttps://kregjig.ning.com/forum/topics/quality-frustrations?id=2900167%3ATopic%3A474109&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI have had issues with gettin…tag:kregjig.ning.com,2012-09-15:2900167:Comment:4806902012-09-15T02:39:46.613ZJasonhttps://kregjig.ning.com/profile/Jason144
I have had issues with getting the head of the screw to fully seat in 1/2in. Material but I'm sure it is Just some necessary tweaking. I cut with a Milwaukee 18v and have never had issues with any tear out. I cut and clean out the hole by pulling the bit out about an inch or so then re-engage the bit, do this once or twice while cutting depending on the material. I use the mini kreg joint though which has a special window to clean out the debris.
I have had issues with getting the head of the screw to fully seat in 1/2in. Material but I'm sure it is Just some necessary tweaking. I cut with a Milwaukee 18v and have never had issues with any tear out. I cut and clean out the hole by pulling the bit out about an inch or so then re-engage the bit, do this once or twice while cutting depending on the material. I use the mini kreg joint though which has a special window to clean out the debris. I use a corded drill, when dr…tag:kregjig.ning.com,2012-09-11:2900167:Comment:4766382012-09-11T12:55:38.538ZKen Dargahttps://kregjig.ning.com/profile/KenDarga
<p>I use a corded drill, when drilling pocket holes---</p>
<p>this one is a variable speed model---1000 to 2500rpm.</p>
<p>It's an older model craftsman--- (when they made industrial grade tools).</p>
<p> I use this drill, primarily for drilling that dictates a high speed.</p>
<p>Drilling at a higher speed, will produce smoother cuts.</p>
<p>And use a cordless drill/driver, with adjustable torque, for driving in the screws.</p>
<p>Having 2 separate drills, is the way to go, for Kregs joinery…</p>
<p>I use a corded drill, when drilling pocket holes---</p>
<p>this one is a variable speed model---1000 to 2500rpm.</p>
<p>It's an older model craftsman--- (when they made industrial grade tools).</p>
<p> I use this drill, primarily for drilling that dictates a high speed.</p>
<p>Drilling at a higher speed, will produce smoother cuts.</p>
<p>And use a cordless drill/driver, with adjustable torque, for driving in the screws.</p>
<p>Having 2 separate drills, is the way to go, for Kregs joinery methods.</p>
<p> I've tried drill speeds of 1500rpm, and they've produced satisfactory results, </p>
<p>in some cases. </p>
<p>I generally make test a piece, so as to determine, if I'm getting satisfactory results.</p>
<p> Drilling at high speed, is akin to using a fine tooth circular saw blade, to obtain smooth cuts.</p>
<p>You don't get smooth cuts, using a 16-24 tooth blade, cutting fine materials.</p>
<p>The bigger teeth act more like ''chippers''.</p>
<p>Drill bits generally only have two cutting edges---</p>
<p>therefore, in wood, you need to use a higher speed rpm.</p>
<p> I've found that MDF quality varies---some are smooth---the particles are more dense/closer together, and</p>
<p>some are more coarse. Sometimes, you can see the difference by closely examining the cut ends.</p>
<p>When selecting MDF, sort thru the materials, examine the cut ends.</p>
<p> When drilling thru holes in MDF, it's best to use a ''backer'' board, so as to prevent blow-out, on the back side.</p>
<p>Works for me.</p>
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<p></p> Hi Andrew - I doubt the issue…tag:kregjig.ning.com,2012-09-11:2900167:Comment:4768842012-09-11T12:29:44.561ZJohn Schabenhttps://kregjig.ning.com/profile/JohnSchaben
<p>Hi Andrew - I doubt the issue is all you. I use a corded deWalt with a 2500 rpm speed and still get feathering/tearout on the holes. Not so much usually on MDF but it's significant on soft woods.</p>
<p>With many companies, marketing strategies tend to be a bit optimistic, and I don't find Kreg to be an exception. While this sells products, it also develops unreasonable expectations.</p>
<p>MDF is a very dense material and, as such, isn't terribly friendly to self tapping screws. Where wood…</p>
<p>Hi Andrew - I doubt the issue is all you. I use a corded deWalt with a 2500 rpm speed and still get feathering/tearout on the holes. Not so much usually on MDF but it's significant on soft woods.</p>
<p>With many companies, marketing strategies tend to be a bit optimistic, and I don't find Kreg to be an exception. While this sells products, it also develops unreasonable expectations.</p>
<p>MDF is a very dense material and, as such, isn't terribly friendly to self tapping screws. Where wood fibers can flex some and make room for a self tapping screw, the glue and resins in MDF have nowhere to go. Therefore, you get bulges/eruptions. If clamped tightly, it can sometimes remain hidden until the glue sets up and no ones the wiser but it is there. The only way I can think of to eliminate it would be to drill small pilot holes after clamping which, of course, negates any speed advantage of the system.</p>
<p>As far as plugs fitting goes, check them with a micrometer. I'm guessing you may have a 3/8" drill bit and 10 mm plugs.</p>
<p>Please don't get me wrong, I think the Kreg is a great system, I've just developed a realistic set of expections as to what I can get from it. <br/><br/><cite>A.Smith said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://kregjig.ning.com/forum/topics/quality-frustrations?commentId=2900167%3AComment%3A476962&xg_source=activity#2900167Comment476962"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Hi Bob,</p>
<p>Thank you for responding.</p>
<p>I'm pretty sure my new Bosch at 1600rpm will do the job also. I feel sure that my problem is poor quality MDF and not drill speed. I would also reiterate that from the thousands of great reviews the Kreg Jig is just fine. The problem clearly lies at my door.</p>
<p>My point is that Kreg whilst addressing a quality issue recommended a drill speed of 2000rpm. I would be interested to know how many cordless drills actually achieve this speed and what models they are.</p>
<p>So far my list is zero. Unless you De-Walt is as fast as this?</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Andrew</p>
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Thank you for respond…tag:kregjig.ning.com,2012-09-11:2900167:Comment:4769622012-09-11T08:34:22.701ZA.Smithhttps://kregjig.ning.com/profile/ASmith
<p>Hi Bob,</p>
<p>Thank you for responding.</p>
<p>I'm pretty sure my new Bosch at 1600rpm will do the job also. I feel sure that my problem is poor quality MDF and not drill speed. I would also reiterate that from the thousands of great reviews the Kreg Jig is just fine. The problem clearly lies at my door.</p>
<p>My point is that Kreg whilst addressing a quality issue recommended a drill speed of 2000rpm. I would be interested to know how many cordless drills actually achieve this speed and…</p>
<p>Hi Bob,</p>
<p>Thank you for responding.</p>
<p>I'm pretty sure my new Bosch at 1600rpm will do the job also. I feel sure that my problem is poor quality MDF and not drill speed. I would also reiterate that from the thousands of great reviews the Kreg Jig is just fine. The problem clearly lies at my door.</p>
<p>My point is that Kreg whilst addressing a quality issue recommended a drill speed of 2000rpm. I would be interested to know how many cordless drills actually achieve this speed and what models they are.</p>
<p>So far my list is zero. Unless you De-Walt is as fast as this?</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Andrew</p>
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<p></p> The ''2000rpm'' is making ref…tag:kregjig.ning.com,2012-09-11:2900167:Comment:4768392012-09-11T01:40:31.656ZKen Dargahttps://kregjig.ning.com/profile/KenDarga
<p>The ''2000rpm'' is making reference to ''<strong>drilling the hole</strong>'' vs driving the screw. </p>
<p>Those are 2 different operations.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>bob moore said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://kregjig.ning.com/forum/topics/quality-frustrations?id=2900167%3ATopic%3A474109&page=2#2900167Comment476128"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Hi Andrew, i'm in the Uk.</p>
<p>Admittedly i haven't used the Kreg jig much as yet, but i have a Dewalt 18v cordless, i use a low…</p>
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<p>The ''2000rpm'' is making reference to ''<strong>drilling the hole</strong>'' vs driving the screw. </p>
<p>Those are 2 different operations.<br/> <br/> <cite>bob moore said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://kregjig.ning.com/forum/topics/quality-frustrations?id=2900167%3ATopic%3A474109&page=2#2900167Comment476128"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Hi Andrew, i'm in the Uk.</p>
<p>Admittedly i haven't used the Kreg jig much as yet, but i have a Dewalt 18v cordless, i use a low torque setting, say no 2, and it seems to work fine. Hope this helps.</p>
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<p>regards</p>
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</blockquote> Hi Andrew, i'm in the Uk.
Adm…tag:kregjig.ning.com,2012-09-10:2900167:Comment:4761282012-09-10T17:23:12.958Zbob moorehttps://kregjig.ning.com/profile/bobmoore64
<p>Hi Andrew, i'm in the Uk.</p>
<p>Admittedly i haven't used the Kreg jig much as yet, but i have a Dewalt 18v cordless, i use a low torque setting, say no 2, and it seems to work fine. Hope this helps.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>regards</p>
<p>Hi Andrew, i'm in the Uk.</p>
<p>Admittedly i haven't used the Kreg jig much as yet, but i have a Dewalt 18v cordless, i use a low torque setting, say no 2, and it seems to work fine. Hope this helps.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>regards</p> OK,
I already apologised for…tag:kregjig.ning.com,2012-09-10:2900167:Comment:4757602012-09-10T07:43:20.756ZA.Smithhttps://kregjig.ning.com/profile/ASmith
<p>OK,</p>
<p>I already apologised for not taking any pictures.</p>
<p>Also, since Kreg recommend 2000 rpm drills + cordless preference. Is there a Forum page where owners can list the various cordless drills that reach 2000 rpm?</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I bought my new Bosch drill a few weeks before the Kreg Jig and I can't afford another drill. However, it would be useful to know what Kreg Jig owners have 2000 rpm drills and their make and model. Hopefully UK owners might come forward with this…</p>
<p>OK,</p>
<p>I already apologised for not taking any pictures.</p>
<p>Also, since Kreg recommend 2000 rpm drills + cordless preference. Is there a Forum page where owners can list the various cordless drills that reach 2000 rpm?</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I bought my new Bosch drill a few weeks before the Kreg Jig and I can't afford another drill. However, it would be useful to know what Kreg Jig owners have 2000 rpm drills and their make and model. Hopefully UK owners might come forward with this information.</p>
<p>Do 2000 rpm cordless drills exist?</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Andrew</p> no pictures?tag:kregjig.ning.com,2012-09-07:2900167:Comment:4755862012-09-07T23:42:17.839ZCarloshttps://kregjig.ning.com/profile/Carlos310
<p>no pictures?</p>
<p>no pictures?</p> Thanks KregCS! Another exampl…tag:kregjig.ning.com,2012-09-07:2900167:Comment:4752262012-09-07T04:40:19.337ZTroyhttps://kregjig.ning.com/profile/Troy681
<p>Thanks KregCS! Another example of the quality customer service provided by Kreg.</p>
<p>I wish more companies paid as much attention to it's customers' concerns as Kreg does.</p>
<p>-- Cheers!<br></br> <br></br> <cite>KregCS said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://kregjig.ning.com/forum/topics/quality-frustrations?commentId=2900167%3AComment%3A475038&xg_source=activity#2900167Comment475038"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Mr. Smith,</p>
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<p>The major issue that you will be…</p>
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<p>Thanks KregCS! Another example of the quality customer service provided by Kreg.</p>
<p>I wish more companies paid as much attention to it's customers' concerns as Kreg does.</p>
<p>-- Cheers!<br/> <br/> <cite>KregCS said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://kregjig.ning.com/forum/topics/quality-frustrations?commentId=2900167%3AComment%3A475038&xg_source=activity#2900167Comment475038"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Mr. Smith,</p>
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<p>The major issue that you will be running into is due to the thickness of material you are working with. Being that it is 18mm is close to 3/4" thick but not quite. Most people ....</p>
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The major issue…tag:kregjig.ning.com,2012-09-06:2900167:Comment:4750382012-09-06T22:53:29.795ZKregCShttps://kregjig.ning.com/profile/KregCS
<p>Mr. Smith,</p>
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<p>The major issue that you will be running into is due to the thickness of material you are working with. Being that it is 18mm is close to 3/4" thick but not quite. Most people think that this is close enough but when you are working with the severe angles with pocket holes this little amount can make a big difference. This will be the reason that your screws are bulging and starting to show on the edge. In order to compensate you will need to adjust your depth…</p>
<p>Mr. Smith,</p>
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<p>The major issue that you will be running into is due to the thickness of material you are working with. Being that it is 18mm is close to 3/4" thick but not quite. Most people think that this is close enough but when you are working with the severe angles with pocket holes this little amount can make a big difference. This will be the reason that your screws are bulging and starting to show on the edge. In order to compensate you will need to adjust your depth collar setting a little bit so that it is not drilling quite as deep. This will adjust the position of where the screw stops in the pocket hole. Unfortunately I do not have an exact setting to tell you but some practice with some scrap pieces should allow you to get it close. </p>
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<p>As far as the holes not being clean, this can be cause by one of three things. First, if you do not have a sharp bit it can cause more tear out to occur since it will be ripping the material out instead of cutting it. With your kit being new I do not believe this is the case. Second, it could be due to the grade of material you are working with. Due to the vast differences in quality of MDF this is quite possible. The third option could be due to the drill you are using. We recommend using a drill that has at least 2,000 RPM's. This allows the bit to cut cleanly and increases the life of your bit.</p>
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<p>I was curious if you could supply any pictures of the plugs in the process of being put in. The plastic caps like you are referring to should slide in without much trouble. Now they will be snug so they can stay in place without glue but you still should be able to slide them in and out with your hands. If this is possible please send me a message on here and I will try to see what is going on. </p>