Picture frame measurements and rules - Kreg Owners' Community2024-03-29T09:46:35Zhttps://kregjig.ning.com/forum/topics/picture-frame-measurements-and-rules?commentId=2900167%3AComment%3A578792&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHi james....I am wondering wh…tag:kregjig.ning.com,2013-11-15:2900167:Comment:5809632013-11-15T12:18:40.467ZDebora Cadenehttps://kregjig.ning.com/profile/DeboraCadene
<p>Hi james....I am wondering why you measure on the short side of the 45 vs the long side when making your cuts. I have a hard time placing the tape measure on the short side , because there is nothing to hold onto...what am I dong wrong?</p>
<p>Hi james....I am wondering why you measure on the short side of the 45 vs the long side when making your cuts. I have a hard time placing the tape measure on the short side , because there is nothing to hold onto...what am I dong wrong?</p> Debora , you are welcome , th…tag:kregjig.ning.com,2013-11-10:2900167:Comment:5799372013-11-10T03:56:15.692Zjames wilhelmhttps://kregjig.ning.com/profile/jameswilhelm
<p>Debora , you are welcome , that Is what this site Is all about , wood worker,s helping wood worker,s !! # 1 no you do not need to make rabbet if you are not using glass , just cut your boards to 1 1/2 " wide , then cut your first 45 degree ,measure 8 1/2 " on the short side of the 45 , make a mark then make a line 45 degree from the top of board down to that mark and cut ! Do the same for the 11 " side ! # 2 when I cut the 1 1/2 boards I try to get a board long enough to cut all four…</p>
<p>Debora , you are welcome , that Is what this site Is all about , wood worker,s helping wood worker,s !! # 1 no you do not need to make rabbet if you are not using glass , just cut your boards to 1 1/2 " wide , then cut your first 45 degree ,measure 8 1/2 " on the short side of the 45 , make a mark then make a line 45 degree from the top of board down to that mark and cut ! Do the same for the 11 " side ! # 2 when I cut the 1 1/2 boards I try to get a board long enough to cut all four board,s ! Cut the top first then the side , next cut the bottom , then the other side !! The best way I found to keep the grain to run together is after I cut the top board both end,s , I turn the board over and cut the next 45 degree on the end , then turn the board back over and make your 11 " mark and cut !! This way you will only lose about 1/2 " per cut , so when you cut your log board make It about 2 " ,s longer then you need to cut all four board,s ! The best way to figure out how long a board you will need is to take a scrap board 1 1/2 " wide and make your mark,s for the short and long board,s , then measure the long side of the 45 degree cut,s x 2 , this will tell you how long to make the long board , + your 2 ",s ! #3 the reason I add the 1 /16 , is some time,s when they cut the glass it Is a little longer or wider then I need , this gives me a little play !! Sorry this was so long , will try to take some pics. of the table saw set up I use to cut the rabbet,s tomorrow , have a good day , JIM !<br/> <br/> <cite>Debora Cadene said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://kregjig.ning.com/forum/topics/picture-frame-measurements-and-rules#2900167Comment579999"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>OMG!! James, I can't believe you went out and made a frame so I could see what you were talking about. That is awesome!!!! Ok...couple of questions. </p>
<p>1. do i have to put the rabbets on the back if I don't plan on putting in a piece of glass? I plan on cutting the thin wood I am using as the middle for my picture, to just fit into the back. I've left enough room behind he frame so its flush.</p>
<p>2. when you are cutting your pieces, it looks like your wood just continues onto the next piece with the grain. Have you sacrificed a cut to make sure the next one carries on?</p>
<p>3. I don't understand why you make the wood an extra 1/16.</p>
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<p>and a favor....next time you make a cut and have to do the rabbet...can you take a picture of how the wood sits in your table saw to get that cut, or the router, which ever you used to make this.</p>
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<p>thank you again for all the time you took out to make this so much easier for me to put together. I really, really appreciate it.</p>
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<p>so sorry it took this long to get back to you for this...I have been plowing one of my fields, so haven't had much time for the computer.</p>
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<p>and John...thank you for the link to more reading for me. I will be going through it once I get a little more "me" time.</p>
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</blockquote> OMG!! James, I can't believe…tag:kregjig.ning.com,2013-11-09:2900167:Comment:5799992013-11-09T15:03:16.385ZDebora Cadenehttps://kregjig.ning.com/profile/DeboraCadene
<p>OMG!! James, I can't believe you went out and made a frame so I could see what you were talking about. That is awesome!!!! Ok...couple of questions. </p>
<p>1. do i have to put the rabbets on the back if I don't plan on putting in a piece of glass? I plan on cutting the thin wood I am using as the middle for my picture, to just fit into the back. I've left enough room behind he frame so its flush.</p>
<p>2. when you are cutting your pieces, it looks like your wood just continues onto…</p>
<p>OMG!! James, I can't believe you went out and made a frame so I could see what you were talking about. That is awesome!!!! Ok...couple of questions. </p>
<p>1. do i have to put the rabbets on the back if I don't plan on putting in a piece of glass? I plan on cutting the thin wood I am using as the middle for my picture, to just fit into the back. I've left enough room behind he frame so its flush.</p>
<p>2. when you are cutting your pieces, it looks like your wood just continues onto the next piece with the grain. Have you sacrificed a cut to make sure the next one carries on?</p>
<p>3. I don't understand why you make the wood an extra 1/16.</p>
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<p>and a favor....next time you make a cut and have to do the rabbet...can you take a picture of how the wood sits in your table saw to get that cut, or the router, which ever you used to make this.</p>
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<p>thank you again for all the time you took out to make this so much easier for me to put together. I really, really appreciate it.</p>
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<p>so sorry it took this long to get back to you for this...I have been plowing one of my fields, so haven't had much time for the computer.</p>
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<p>and John...thank you for the link to more reading for me. I will be going through it once I get a little more "me" time.</p>
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<p></p> Hi Debora , is this what you…tag:kregjig.ning.com,2013-11-06:2900167:Comment:5792162013-11-06T04:12:45.683Zjames wilhelmhttps://kregjig.ning.com/profile/jameswilhelm
<p>Hi Debora , is this what you have in mind to build , sending you three pics. , the first is the back showing the rabbet , the second Is the front and the third is a drawing I made with the measurements , when I cut the rabbet I have added an extra 1/16 " bigger then the pic. you want in put in the frame !!! You can cut the rabbet with a router and if you get the table saw working , be careful , have a good day , hope this helps , Jim !!…</p>
<p>Hi Debora , is this what you have in mind to build , sending you three pics. , the first is the back showing the rabbet , the second Is the front and the third is a drawing I made with the measurements , when I cut the rabbet I have added an extra 1/16 " bigger then the pic. you want in put in the frame !!! You can cut the rabbet with a router and if you get the table saw working , be careful , have a good day , hope this helps , Jim !!<a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1935470434?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1935470434?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1935470816?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1935470816?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1935472698?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1935472698?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a><br/> <br/> <cite>Debora Cadene said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://kregjig.ning.com/forum/topics/picture-frame-measurements-and-rules?commentId=2900167%3AComment%3A578749&xg_source=activity#2900167Comment578749"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Hi James...the inside of the frame would be 8.5 x 11, so its the size of a piece of paper, with the frame around that. The 1x2's are 3/4 x 11/2. (this is the link to the frame I am trying to make, but with different measurements.... <a rel="nofollow" href="http://ana-white.com/2009/12/plans-barnwood-frames-1-and-10-minutes.html">http://ana-white.com/2009/12/plans-barnwood-frames-1-and-10-minutes...</a> ) Then I ran out of wood, so will pick some more up this morning.</p>
<p>Then I went to the barn and got a piece of barn board and would like to make just a plain one with out the top like the first one.......but its probably close to 5 3/4" wide, and I forget the depth of the wood. i'll hold off till I get further instructions on that one. I'd like to make that to fit the 8.5 x 11 and I know I need the ledge or rabbet in there...but I don't have a tool for that yet. I have the dewault miter chop saw, and I "thought" I had a table saw in the barn, but I don't think it working too good. My thought was to take a sample piece of wood and make that groove in the barn board, but I clearly don't know how to use the saw yet, because what I thought would happen and what actually did....were two different things. Would a hand router work? i don't have one of those either, but mabey I could find one.</p>
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When I first started…tag:kregjig.ning.com,2013-11-05:2900167:Comment:5791132013-11-05T23:18:15.350ZKen Dargahttps://kregjig.ning.com/profile/KenDarga
<p>Debora,</p>
<p>When I first started making picture frames, cutting trim, and the like, and didn't have the power tools,</p>
<p>I found a pecision miter box and saw very useful.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.fleetfarm.com/products/images/medium/0000000019199.jpg" width="165" height="165"/> </p>
<p>I still use it today, in lieu of a miter slide saw, when only having to make a few on-the-job-site tasks.</p>
<p>Debora,</p>
<p>When I first started making picture frames, cutting trim, and the like, and didn't have the power tools,</p>
<p>I found a pecision miter box and saw very useful.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.fleetfarm.com/products/images/medium/0000000019199.jpg" width="165" height="165"/> </p>
<p>I still use it today, in lieu of a miter slide saw, when only having to make a few on-the-job-site tasks.</p> http://www.instructables.com/…tag:kregjig.ning.com,2013-11-05:2900167:Comment:5789192013-11-05T14:30:44.935ZJohn Schabenhttps://kregjig.ning.com/profile/JohnSchaben
<p><a href="http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Custom-Picture-Frames/">http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Custom-Picture-Frames/</a></p>
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<p>This is kind of lengthy and pretty detailed, maybe more than you are looking for but all the steps are there, and then some.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Custom-Picture-Frames/">http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Custom-Picture-Frames/</a></p>
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<p>This is kind of lengthy and pretty detailed, maybe more than you are looking for but all the steps are there, and then some.</p> Ken, where can I go to get st…tag:kregjig.ning.com,2013-11-05:2900167:Comment:5787502013-11-05T12:12:00.255ZDebora Cadenehttps://kregjig.ning.com/profile/DeboraCadene
<p>Ken, where can I go to get started on basic picture frame building instructions. I don't want to just follow along, I'd like to actually understand what I am attempting to do. </p>
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<p>Ken, where can I go to get started on basic picture frame building instructions. I don't want to just follow along, I'd like to actually understand what I am attempting to do. </p>
<p></p> Hi James...the inside of the…tag:kregjig.ning.com,2013-11-05:2900167:Comment:5787492013-11-05T12:09:32.970ZDebora Cadenehttps://kregjig.ning.com/profile/DeboraCadene
<p>Hi James...the inside of the frame would be 8.5 x 11, so its the size of a piece of paper, with the frame around that. The 1x2's are 3/4 x 11/2. (this is the link to the frame I am trying to make, but with different measurements.... <a href="http://ana-white.com/2009/12/plans-barnwood-frames-1-and-10-minutes.html">http://ana-white.com/2009/12/plans-barnwood-frames-1-and-10-minutes.html</a> ) Then I ran out of wood, so will pick some more up this morning.</p>
<p>Then I went to the barn…</p>
<p>Hi James...the inside of the frame would be 8.5 x 11, so its the size of a piece of paper, with the frame around that. The 1x2's are 3/4 x 11/2. (this is the link to the frame I am trying to make, but with different measurements.... <a href="http://ana-white.com/2009/12/plans-barnwood-frames-1-and-10-minutes.html">http://ana-white.com/2009/12/plans-barnwood-frames-1-and-10-minutes.html</a> ) Then I ran out of wood, so will pick some more up this morning.</p>
<p>Then I went to the barn and got a piece of barn board and would like to make just a plain one with out the top like the first one.......but its probably close to 5 3/4" wide, and I forget the depth of the wood. i'll hold off till I get further instructions on that one. I'd like to make that to fit the 8.5 x 11 and I know I need the ledge or rabbet in there...but I don't have a tool for that yet. I have the dewault miter chop saw, and I "thought" I had a table saw in the barn, but I don't think it working too good. My thought was to take a sample piece of wood and make that groove in the barn board, but I clearly don't know how to use the saw yet, because what I thought would happen and what actually did....were two different things. Would a hand router work? i don't have one of those either, but mabey I could find one.</p> Debora,
Make sample test piec…tag:kregjig.ning.com,2013-11-05:2900167:Comment:5788142013-11-05T06:10:54.378ZKen Dargahttps://kregjig.ning.com/profile/KenDarga
<p>Debora,</p>
<p>Make sample test pieces from scrap material.</p>
<p>Practice making miter cuts, whether by hand or with a power tool.</p>
<p>Rabbets can be made on a table saw or router table.</p>
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<p>Being new to making picture frames is a challenge.</p>
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<p>To be successful at making picture frames, one needs to learn how to build the frames.</p>
<p>There's more to it than just making miter joints and a rabbet.</p>
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<p><span>Framing is something woodworkers tend to shy…</span></p>
<p>Debora,</p>
<p>Make sample test pieces from scrap material.</p>
<p>Practice making miter cuts, whether by hand or with a power tool.</p>
<p>Rabbets can be made on a table saw or router table.</p>
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<p>Being new to making picture frames is a challenge.</p>
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<p>To be successful at making picture frames, one needs to learn how to build the frames.</p>
<p>There's more to it than just making miter joints and a rabbet.</p>
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<p><span>Framing is something woodworkers tend to shy away from.</span></p>
<p>It may be fear of damaging an irreplaceable piece of art or of putting less-than-perfect miter joints on display. Frames tend to get scrutinized because they are the vehicles for displaying art; and because art is critiqued up close, the frame will be, too.</p>
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<p><span>A rabbet is a dado that is c</span><span>ut into the edge of the face of the stock.</span></p>
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<p>A rabbet depth and width, in the picture frame needs to accommodate the glass, the matt, the picture material thickness, the points, brads, or glazing points, or "S" clips.</p>
<p></p> Hi Debora , first of all is…tag:kregjig.ning.com,2013-11-05:2900167:Comment:5789032013-11-05T04:04:26.124Zjames wilhelmhttps://kregjig.ning.com/profile/jameswilhelm
<p>Hi Debora , first of all is the size of the picture you are framing 8 1/2 " x 11 " on the out side edges ? Are the boards you are using 1 " x 2' or 3/4 " x 2 " and do you have a table saw ? A rabbet is a grove or notch that is cut on the inside of the 2" wide board before you cut the 45 degree cuts , you can use a table saw or router to do this, 5/16 " x 5/16 " ! After you cut the rabbet turn the board over with the rabbet face down on your miter saw and cut the first 45 degree…</p>
<p>Hi Debora , first of all is the size of the picture you are framing 8 1/2 " x 11 " on the out side edges ? Are the boards you are using 1 " x 2' or 3/4 " x 2 " and do you have a table saw ? A rabbet is a grove or notch that is cut on the inside of the 2" wide board before you cut the 45 degree cuts , you can use a table saw or router to do this, 5/16 " x 5/16 " ! After you cut the rabbet turn the board over with the rabbet face down on your miter saw and cut the first 45 degree cut on the one end !! Then measure as per drawing and make a mark at 8 9/16 " and make your other 45 degree mark !! I would cut the long boards at 15 1/2 " and the short ones at 13 " to start !!! Sending you this pic. and will send a pic . tomorrow that Is full scale , with all the measurements , hope this helps and any ?,s please contact me , JIM !!!<a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1935469724?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1935469724?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a></p>