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Hello Kreg Executives,

I am soon to begin finishing my son's basement.

After checking with his city's building department (Southfield, Michigan) I have been informed that the Kreg HD screws are not approved for framing without the "ICC-ES" certification - which Kreg does not have.

One would think that Kreg, being such a major player in the marketplace, would immediately attain this certification.

Please explain, what am I missing?

I look forward to the Kreg decision-makers prompt reply.

Thank you in advance for your consideration and response.

Marty Rosenbloom

PS I am told that Kreg currently has the ICC-ES certification for their deck screws. I have been advised that the HD screws are much stronger than the deck screws, so what is the aversion to accreditation?

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I just looked them up...great idea and tool.

I will look for the industrial sized unit.

Who need screws anyways?

Screws are very good and have intended purposes.

However, other fastening methods may be more suitable for some joining tasks.

Marty Rosenbloom said:



I just looked them up...great idea and tool.

I will look for the industrial sized unit.

Who need screws anyways?



By the way, it there a particular palm nailer you recommend?

Thanks again,


Palm nailers:

The mini mini palm air nailer, is a Bostitch,

The HD industriall version is a Jamerco---palm air nailer.

Check out the Porter-Cable PN650---it includes some nice accessories.

Capacity from 1-1/4-inch to 6-1/2-inch (3d to 70d)

Magnetic tip for driving 3d to 16d common nails.

Hammer head.

It's about half the price of what I paid for the Jamerco.

If you get a palm nailer, install a "swivel" adapter hose fitting---

it's easier to maneuver the tool during use.

There's a learning curve to use these specialty nailers.

Practice on scrap wood first before using.

They work well in hard to get at places where a hammer will not do, or a screw cannot be used.

I find a palm nailer to be indispensable.

PS---Milwaukee offers a very nice palm nailer, in their line of M12,

cordless tools.

The Palm nailers  are great to have in close quarters and do a nice job.  There are several brands out there including some of the cheap ones that do a good job.  Since that are not used that often a cheap one is actually the best way to go.  I have a Senco and seldom used it even when I was helping with framing and decks but when you need it, It is a very useful and valuable tool to have.

Have you ever used a "Nail Shooter" also know as a "Pea Shooter"?  These will put a nail where you can not possibly do with out one.   
Ken Darga said:

PS---Milwaukee offers a very nice palm nailer, in their line of M12,

cordless tools.

Ken, Jay and gang,

So the best thing I did was open up this discussion on the HD screws.

When framing a basement I have learned to stay with the round framing nailer (wherever possible) and so much more.

Jay and ken, thanks for your continued advise. I have learned about palm sanders, pea shooters, local codes and so much more. And that on this project alone.

You guys in particular make leaning fun. Thanks to Kreg for it's "Discussion Forum" and members like you who are willing to share you knowledge.


Ha ha its good to get some knowledgable banter going every now and again, it teaches us to thnk of alternatives,consider options  and have the support of Structural knowledge available to advice if straying off course.

So Robert, you have just been sitting back and taking all of this in, eh?

Kind of fun.


Hello again Marty,

Sure have been taking it all in, and the correspondents are from my time on the site are some of the most experienced in their field.


Your welcome, Marty.

Thank you for your thank you.

Glad you got something useful info/advice.

Hi Marty, I was not trying to be funny when I mentioned "nail shooter and or Pea shooter".  There is such a tool that has been very helpful to me in the past.  It is a specialty tool and not very well known.  What it is a hollow steel shaft about the diameter of a dime.  It is about 30 inches long (some are longer) and it has a harden steel rod that slips inside the tube that is about 6 inches longer than the hollow shaft.  You manually place a nail (typically a framing nail) in the front end of the tube and in front of the rod.  You place the end of the shaft at any location where you wish to place a nail and drive it home by a hammer on the end of the rod.  The beauty of this is that it will allow you to drive a nail in any spot that you can see that is within reach of the tool with out any difficulty.  I used them many times driving nails in locations that could not be done other wise, making it feasible to drive a nail where you could only see the needed location through a small opening.

You can find some that are equipped with a slide hammer that allows you to drive the rod down to drive in the nail. There are some that have magnets to hold the nail and some are made with extensions.

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