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hey guys I am building a DIY aquarium stand 32x24x32 high out of 2x4. got the fram done yesterday but someone pointer out of reefing form my pocket holes are close. :(

I bought the R3 from amazon and thought/ assumed as long as you set your drill length and wood size you drilled  both hole from the jig.  thats why I went with the 2 holer and not the one.

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SOOO did i mess up? will this be a strong joint?

   

also what are your thought about using wood glue along with pocket screw joints? 

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anyone?? I really would like to know if i have to start over.  

Hi Deva,

Your pocket holes will work just fine as you have them. The R3 has dual holes so that you can drill them both with the jig clamped in place, rather than having to reposition the jig for each new hole.

If you have any other questions, be sure to contact Technical Support at 800-447-8638 or technicalsupport@kregtool.com for assistance. They are very knowledgeable and will be more than happy to help.

The Kreg 2x4 Workbench (one of their on-line plans) shows using two pocket holes on the 2x4's. It says "the location of the Pocket-Holes isn't critical" and the rough illustration shows them about 1/3 of the way across -- which would be about 1-3/16" center to center. I can't find the actual distance between the R3 holes -- I have an K4.

The Kreg HD Jig says to place two of the larger pocket holes 1" in from each side (with 1-1/2" between the two holes).

I think you'll be OK, but next time you might widen the space between the two holes a bit.

Deva,

Kreg rep answered your question about hole spacing.  As for using glue; unless you plan on dissembling your project, I would absolutely use wood glue.  I always glue my joints, finding one of the big advantages to the pocket holes is not having to leave ther pieces clamped, rather using the pocket holes to secure the pieces as the glue dries. 

Hope this helps, Don

Ok thanks guys I was getting a lil worried and about to start the project over tomorrow.  only 28 dallors in 2x4s not worth 100S in stock and damage to the house.

I was hoping to take a part the stand for moving if/when that happens. but if wood glue strengthens the joints then by all means I will do it. just have to find some wood clamps.

It is not recommended or even necessary to use glue when building with Kreg Joinery™ and Kreg® Pocket-Hole Screws. Reach this article and watch this video to learn more. 

OK Kreg Rep, I fully understand why it is not necessary to use glue when assembling a project using Kreg pocket hole screws, but why it is not recommended remains a mystery.  Oh yeah, a mystery not answered in the article or video referenced in your post.  Tests have shown using wood glue typically creates joints that are sometimes stronger then the wood itself, so why not add glue to the Kreg joint?  I also realize the typical Kreg joint is a butt joint using face grain of one piece and end grain of another, an inherently weak joint if built using wood glue alone.  But adding wood glue to the benefits provided by the pocket holes can only increase the strength of the joint. 

Don

You are correct, Don. However, we don't recommend that customers obtain glue because it is not necessary. But if you have some on hand or would like the added strength, then it is a fine idea. The article and video were intended to provide further information on Kreg® Pocket-Hole Screws. Sorry for not clarifying that above. 

Don Foley said:

OK Kreg Rep, I fully understand why it is not necessary to use glue when assembling a project using Kreg pocket hole screws, but why it is not recommended remains a mystery.  Oh yeah, a mystery not answered in the article or video referenced in your post.  Tests have shown using wood glue typically creates joints that are sometimes stronger then the wood itself, so why not add glue to the Kreg joint?  I also realize the typical Kreg joint is a butt joint using face grain of one piece and end grain of another, an inherently weak joint if built using wood glue alone.  But adding wood glue to the benefits provided by the pocket holes can only increase the strength of the joint. 

Don

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Don I am totally in agreement as that is pure foolish to short come your project of some glue as that is then a joint that will withstand stress and damage from time as it gets it share of stress as time goes on  like the wood fibers will be come more splintery as time ages that wood.   Time will weaken wood fibers and if it gets weak at the joint your project becomes weak.  Glue in the joint will hold the wood fibers into a tight bond with each other until the joint is broken apart and not split out and crack apart from the screws that hold it.

I would hate to think that a person would not want to build a project that is the strongest as possible when it does not take a lot of extra time and glue is not that expensive.  It is a whole lot less expensive than having a failure in a joint.  That is almost as bad as saying you do not have to weld steel plates to a horizontal surface as he weight of the steel will keep it from moving.

I know for certain that I would not build a project with out glue unless it is meant to be taken apart and if the be the case I am not sure I would use  screw joinery in the parts that had to be disassembled.   Mechanical fasteners normally crush the wood fibers and then later will work loose from the movement of both mechanical stresses from use or movement from both use and the moisture content changes.  That alone will make a loose joint.

To be honest with everyone if you worked for me joints would get glued and if you did not want to glue then I would not employee you.

I'm building cabinets out of 3/4" pre-finished plywood.  Please tell me what glue you would use which will stick to the slick UV coated face of this plywood?

Jay Boutwell said:

Don I am totally in agreement as that is pure foolish to short come your project of some glue as that is then a joint that will withstand stress and damage from time as it gets it share of stress as time goes on  like the wood fibers will be come more splintery as time ages that wood.   Time will weaken wood fibers and if it gets weak at the joint your project becomes weak.  Glue in the joint will hold the wood fibers into a tight bond with each other until the joint is broken apart and not split out and crack apart from the screws that hold it.

I would hate to think that a person would not want to build a project that is the strongest as possible when it does not take a lot of extra time and glue is not that expensive.  It is a whole lot less expensive than having a failure in a joint.  That is almost as bad as saying you do not have to weld steel plates to a horizontal surface as he weight of the steel will keep it from moving.

I know for certain that I would not build a project with out glue unless it is meant to be taken apart and if the be the case I am not sure I would use  screw joinery in the parts that had to be disassembled.   Mechanical fasteners normally crush the wood fibers and then later will work loose from the movement of both mechanical stresses from use or movement from both use and the moisture content changes.  That alone will make a loose joint.

To be honest with everyone if you worked for me joints would get glued and if you did not want to glue then I would not employee you.

Hi DrPcFix,  The best solution to using glue on this type of wood is to use the product that is called "Roo" and it is made to bond melamine and plastic.  i do not like using a pre-finished product as there is always the possibility of scratches and or skuffs on the finish during the building.  I prefer to do my own finish after I am done and to get the better finish I use catalized Lacquer of my stain.  Never have a problem this way.

 

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